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FileSystem::fileGet( "assets/html/hn_threaded_test.html", html );
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FileSystem::fileGet( "assets/html/hn_threaded_test.html", html );
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// Keep this fixture close to the captured viewport. Apple Software Renderer drops the
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// large offscreen solid-background quad if the original full HN thread is used, even
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// though GPU renderers and other software renderers rasterize it correctly.
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sceneNode->loadLayoutFromString( HTMLFormatter::HTMLtoXML( html ) );
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sceneNode->loadLayoutFromString( HTMLFormatter::HTMLtoXML( html ) );
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win->setClearColor( Color::White );
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win->setClearColor( Color::White );
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