diff --git a/src/debug_logging.rs b/src/debug_logging.rs
index bcccaaf9f..766a39675 100644
--- a/src/debug_logging.rs
+++ b/src/debug_logging.rs
@@ -64,6 +64,7 @@ pub async fn debug_logging_loop(context: &Context, events: Receiver<DebugEventLo
                     document: None,
                     uid: None,
                 },
+                time,
             )
             .await
         {
diff --git a/src/ephemeral.rs b/src/ephemeral.rs
index 15fe7e6cb..6b62e32bf 100644
--- a/src/ephemeral.rs
+++ b/src/ephemeral.rs
@@ -392,7 +392,8 @@ WHERE
 SELECT id, chat_id, type
 FROM msgs
 WHERE
-  timestamp < ?
+  timestamp < ?1
+  AND timestamp_rcvd < ?1
   AND chat_id > ?
   AND chat_id != ?
   AND chat_id != ?
@@ -490,7 +491,7 @@ async fn next_delete_device_after_timestamp(context: &Context) -> Result<Option<
             .sql
             .query_get_value(
                 r#"
-                SELECT min(timestamp)
+                SELECT min(max(timestamp, timestamp_rcvd))
                 FROM msgs
                 WHERE chat_id > ?
                   AND chat_id != ?
diff --git a/src/webxdc.rs b/src/webxdc.rs
index 77808cc92..fc5f36b57 100644
--- a/src/webxdc.rs
+++ b/src/webxdc.rs
@@ -21,6 +21,7 @@ use anyhow::{anyhow, bail, ensure, format_err, Context as _, Result};
 
 use deltachat_derive::FromSql;
 use lettre_email::PartBuilder;
+use rusqlite::OptionalExtension;
 use serde::{Deserialize, Serialize};
 use serde_json::Value;
 use tokio::io::AsyncReadExt;
@@ -291,7 +292,7 @@ impl Context {
         from_id: ContactId,
     ) -> Result<Option<StatusUpdateSerial>> {
         let Some(status_update_serial) = self
-            .write_status_update_inner(&instance.id, &status_update_item)
+            .write_status_update_inner(&instance.id, &status_update_item, timestamp)
             .await?
         else {
             return Ok(None);
@@ -372,27 +373,30 @@ impl Context {
         &self,
         instance_id: &MsgId,
         status_update_item: &StatusUpdateItem,
+        timestamp: i64,
     ) -> Result<Option<StatusUpdateSerial>> {
-        let _lock = self.sql.write_lock().await;
         let uid = status_update_item.uid.as_deref();
-        let Some(rowid) = self
-            .sql
-            .query_row_optional(
-                "INSERT INTO msgs_status_updates (msg_id, update_item, uid) VALUES(?, ?, ?)
-                 ON CONFLICT (uid) DO NOTHING
-                 RETURNING id",
-                (
-                    instance_id,
-                    serde_json::to_string(&status_update_item)?,
-                    uid,
-                ),
-                |row| {
-                    let id: u32 = row.get(0)?;
-                    Ok(id)
-                },
-            )
-            .await?
-        else {
+        let status_update_item = serde_json::to_string(&status_update_item)?;
+        let trans_fn = |t: &mut rusqlite::Transaction| {
+            t.execute(
+                "UPDATE msgs SET timestamp_rcvd=? WHERE id=?",
+                (timestamp, instance_id),
+            )?;
+            let rowid = t
+                .query_row(
+                    "INSERT INTO msgs_status_updates (msg_id, update_item, uid) VALUES(?, ?, ?)
+                     ON CONFLICT (uid) DO NOTHING
+                     RETURNING id",
+                    (instance_id, status_update_item, uid),
+                    |row| {
+                        let id: u32 = row.get(0)?;
+                        Ok(id)
+                    },
+                )
+                .optional()?;
+            Ok(rowid)
+        };
+        let Some(rowid) = self.sql.transaction(trans_fn).await? else {
             let uid = uid.unwrap_or("-");
             info!(self, "Ignoring duplicate status update with uid={uid}");
             return Ok(None);
@@ -850,6 +854,8 @@ impl Message {
 
 #[cfg(test)]
 mod tests {
+    use std::time::Duration;
+
     use serde_json::json;
 
     use super::*;
@@ -860,8 +866,10 @@ mod tests {
     use crate::chatlist::Chatlist;
     use crate::config::Config;
     use crate::contact::Contact;
+    use crate::ephemeral;
     use crate::receive_imf::{receive_imf, receive_imf_from_inbox};
     use crate::test_utils::TestContext;
+    use crate::tools::{self, SystemTime};
     use crate::{message, sql};
 
     #[tokio::test(flavor = "multi_thread", worker_threads = 2)]
@@ -2650,4 +2658,43 @@ sth_for_the = "future""#
 
         Ok(())
     }
+
+    #[tokio::test(flavor = "multi_thread", worker_threads = 2)]
+    async fn test_status_update_vs_delete_device_after() -> Result<()> {
+        let alice = &TestContext::new_alice().await;
+        let bob = &TestContext::new_bob().await;
+        bob.set_config(Config::DeleteDeviceAfter, Some("3600"))
+            .await?;
+        let alice_chat = alice.create_chat(bob).await;
+        let alice_instance = send_webxdc_instance(alice, alice_chat.id).await?;
+        let bob_instance = bob.recv_msg(&alice.pop_sent_msg().await).await;
+
+        SystemTime::shift(Duration::from_secs(1800));
+        let mut update = Message {
+            chat_id: alice_chat.id,
+            viewtype: Viewtype::Text,
+            text: "I'm an update".to_string(),
+            hidden: true,
+            ..Default::default()
+        };
+        update.param.set_cmd(SystemMessage::WebxdcStatusUpdate);
+        update
+            .param
+            .set(Param::Arg, r#"{"updates":[{"payload":{"foo":"bar"}}]}"#);
+        update.set_quote(alice, Some(&alice_instance)).await?;
+        let sent_msg = alice.send_msg(alice_chat.id, &mut update).await;
+        bob.recv_msg(&sent_msg).await;
+        assert_eq!(
+            bob.get_webxdc_status_updates(bob_instance.id, StatusUpdateSerial(0))
+                .await?,
+            r#"[{"payload":{"foo":"bar"},"serial":1,"max_serial":1}]"#
+        );
+
+        SystemTime::shift(Duration::from_secs(2700));
+        ephemeral::delete_expired_messages(bob, tools::time()).await?;
+        let bob_instance = Message::load_from_db(bob, bob_instance.id).await?;
+        assert_eq!(bob_instance.chat_id.is_trash(), false);
+
+        Ok(())
+    }
 }